FEATURES | MUSIC | BOOKS | DRINKS | FORUMS | GAMES | LINKS | ABOUT


advertise on Tiki Central

Celebrating classic and modern Polynesian Pop
  [Edit Profile]  [Edit Preferences]  [Search] [Sign Up]
[Personal Messages]  [Member List]  [Help/FAQ]  [Rules]  [Login]
Tiki Central Forums Tiki Drinks and Food Pimento Liqueur
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 Next Page )
Pimento Liqueur
I-Tiki
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Jun 25, 2004
Posts: 50
From: Falls Church, VA
Posted: 2008-02-11 4:25 pm   Permalink

Good news fellow mixologists, I received word from my favorite liquor store in D.C. that they placed the order for St. Elizabeth today and I should have a couple of bottles in hand by the end of the week.

Nice when the Tiki Gods look out for you like that!

Lee

(I-Tiki)
_________________
Life's Too Short To Drink a Bad Mai-Tai.


 
View Profile of I-Tiki Send a personal message to I-Tiki  Email I-Tiki     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
hiltiki
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Jun 10, 2004
Posts: 3095
From: Reseda, calif.
Posted: 2008-02-26 7:30 pm   Permalink

Martiki, any news regarding this item?

 
View Profile of hiltiki Send a personal message to hiltiki  Goto the website of hiltiki     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
van Oosten
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Aug 08, 2007
Posts: 23
From: Batavia
Posted: 2008-02-27 6:06 pm   Permalink

for NoCal availability, it will likely be mid-March. SoCal maybe longer, though sooner if making a special request. PM me if you need any assistance.

 
View Profile of van Oosten Send a personal message to van Oosten  Goto the website of van Oosten     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
bewarethe151
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 93
From: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: 2008-03-05 11:25 pm   Permalink

Got my second 2 bottles from Jamaica of the Berry Hill. FAST! Great taste.

 
View Profile of bewarethe151 Send a personal message to bewarethe151      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Camano Mermaid
Member

Joined: Oct 30, 2007
Posts: 10
Posted: 2008-03-06 10:44 am   Permalink

I've been making Pimemto Dram for years for my husband who craves the stuff. With the new laws on what you can carryon a plane it's a little hard to bring back from Jamaica when we visit. I use a recipe from a cookbook I've had a long time. It's called "Skyjuice & Flying Fish" by Jessica Harris. You can find on Amazon cheap. I've always used Penzey's allspice and cinnamon and I add some freshly grated nutmeg too. I use Appleton's white rum. As it ages it almost becomes like a honey'd cordial. Really goes down well with a spliff or a Cuban cigar, which we used to bring back before 9/11.

 
View Profile of Camano Mermaid Send a personal message to Camano Mermaid  Email Camano Mermaid     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
hiltiki
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Jun 10, 2004
Posts: 3095
From: Reseda, calif.
Posted: 2008-04-06 12:16 am   Permalink

I just got a few bottles from Hi Time Wine Cellars on Friday, $32.99 each. This was my first trip to this place and it was amazing. Coruba Rum was $19.99. Still no sign of Velvet Falernum.

 
View Profile of hiltiki Send a personal message to hiltiki  Goto the website of hiltiki     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Koolau
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Sep 23, 2006
Posts: 323
From: Oahu, Hawaii
Posted: 2008-04-20 10:32 pm   Permalink

I'm very happy with my home made Pimento Dram using Chuck Taggart's recipe - no sign of the commercial version here in Hawaii. Has anyone compared the flavors of home made vs. St. Elizabeth?

 
View Profile of Koolau Send a personal message to Koolau      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
bewarethe151
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 93
From: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: 2008-04-21 5:15 pm   Permalink

The Velvet Falernun is at HiTimes, many bottles. On the St. Elizabeth, it is a completely different beast. The Berry Hill is much more in the same league as the homemade version from Imbibe. I find the Berry Hill and my homemde batches a tad sweeter. The homemade has a pronouced rum taste since it is, in fact, rum based. The Berry Hill is not and the St. Elizabeth is rum based. If I had to, in short, describe the differences, is that the St. Elizabeth is less candy-like.

 
View Profile of bewarethe151 Send a personal message to bewarethe151      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
bewarethe151
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 93
From: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: 2008-04-21 5:17 pm   Permalink

BTW, Camano Mermaid's version is great! I am on my second batch. I dump it in everthing.

 
View Profile of bewarethe151 Send a personal message to bewarethe151      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
PiPhiRho
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 1015
From: Redondo Beach
Posted: 2008-04-21 8:07 pm   Permalink

Velvet Falernum is available at Beverages and More (aka BevMo), or at least it was the lest time I checked. It is also available at Beverage Warehouse in Mar Vista, and I believe I also saw it at Green Jug in Woodland Hills.

I have not seen the Pimento Dram anywhere in the LA area so far. Hi Times is a bit of a haul. Perhaps I'll do it when I run out of my Berry Hill.


 
View Profile of PiPhiRho Send a personal message to PiPhiRho  Email PiPhiRho Goto the website of PiPhiRho     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Koolau
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Sep 23, 2006
Posts: 323
From: Oahu, Hawaii
Posted: 2008-04-21 10:49 pm   Permalink

Quote:
BTW, Camano Mermaid's version is great! I am on my second batch. I dump it in everthing.



I have no absolutely doubt that's true, but is it Pimento Dram? That looks more like a recipe for an allspice Falernum.


 
View Profile of Koolau Send a personal message to Koolau      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Camano Mermaid
Member

Joined: Oct 30, 2007
Posts: 10
Posted: 2008-04-22 11:54 am   Permalink

Glad you like the dram recipe. It ages well too. It's from a Jamaican cookbook called Skyjuice and Flying Fish by Jessica Harris. You can get it cheap on Amazon.

 
View Profile of Camano Mermaid Send a personal message to Camano Mermaid  Email Camano Mermaid     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
bewarethe151
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 93
From: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: 2008-04-22 5:11 pm   Permalink

In my early days in Jamaica, Pimento Liqueur was everything under the sun which was made with allspice and alcohol. Some makers threw in the kitchen sink while other recipes were more Spartan. As for what the Founding Fathers of Tiki Drinks actually used in their wonderful concoctions, it was probably an exported, stripped down version which was profitable for the maker, shelf stable (to some degree), and tasty. Heck, few mainlanders new waht it was supposed to taste like. For me, the ginger/lime drams are falernum, while the allspice makes it Pimento Dram.

 
View Profile of bewarethe151 Send a personal message to bewarethe151      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Koolau
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Sep 23, 2006
Posts: 323
From: Oahu, Hawaii
Posted: 2008-04-22 11:34 pm   Permalink

Suddenly I feel like Sven battling the tiki painters . . .

I'm sure Camano Mermaid's Pimento Dram recipe tastes terrific, and may be more authentic to Jamaica, but it isn't the Pimento Dram used historically in tiki drinks and cocktails. If you use a Pimento Dram with nutmeg, cinnamon, and lots of lime juice in, say a Nui Nui, you may have created a decent drink, but it's not a Nui Nui, as you've got way too much sugar, lime and cinnamon in there, as well as nutmeg!

Donn Beach and other booze geniuses worked hard to create balance in their drinks - that's why you only add 1/4 ounce of this or 6 drops of that. One certainly can't precisely recreate what 21 year old rum or Pimento Dram tasted like in 1937 (and in truth probably don't want to be that anal about it), but we can try to be true to their recipes. The payoff is usually worth the effort.


 
View Profile of Koolau Send a personal message to Koolau      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
bewarethe151
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 93
From: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: 2008-04-23 09:22 am   Permalink

Koolau, please don't feel this is a battle of wits or otherwise, just some fun, freindly, discussion. You really stated my point. We don't know what was used. I have 2 different commercial offerings of Pimento Liqueur from the 1940's. These were available to Donn and Trader and might have been used in their drinks. But, I place emphasis on "might have been used". First, they are 60 proof and came to me with seals intact, but about 1/3 evaporation. Each is from a now defunct rum company. I've tasted them and each is very different than the other. Both have a lot of different spices, in addition to allspice, cinnamon, for sure. One has a peppery, almost cayenne zip to it and it is really sweet, heavily sugared. Both, seem to lean on nutmeg. Sure, I know their flavors probably changed since the 40's, oxidation, cork-tainting, etc., but the difference in the two is remarkable. When Jeff went down to Louisiana to create the "real" Zombie Punch, they had the benefit of exact recipes and vintage spirits. Today, if someone wants to recreate an exact cocktail with Pimento Liqueur in the recipe, they can use my bottles, but they will need to make 2, since these 2 taste nothing like each other. It's the same with the Berry Hill and the St. Elizabeth. Which is real? I don't know. But, they both make a great drink, with 2 different results. My point is that addition of allspice to the drink is the key component required by the Founding Fathers. Its tongue-numbing character, its hot spicy zest, and its unexpected-ness in a cocktail are what make it what it is. So many of my friends are jolted when they have their first drink with Allspice Dram. They all say the same thing, "What is that taste I'm getting...?". I agree with you that Camano's has the sugar and the lime which will alter a non-lime drink. Most of the Pimento dram cocktails are non- Tiki and use orange juice. But, take a look at Jeff Berry's recipe for Donn's "Montego Bay" from "Intoxica", it is a lime drink and the Pimento Dram is optional! From "Grog Log" the "Andient Mariner" has lime and simple syrup, too. There are countless threads in this forum about making these drinks better by adjustment. My question is have you thrown together a batch of the Camano (Sky Juice) recipe and have you tasted that it fits the bill as a pretty good Allspice ingredient. BTW, I see that you are from Hawaii and will see the parallels with Okolehao. When I lived there, the homemade versions were all different, but ti was the tie that binds. The last offering by a California based distiler wasn't even close. Even 60's and 70's commercial versions we not what Donn and Trader had behind their bars. If this new one (rumored for a decade, now) ever gets off the ground and into our Tiki mugs, will it be the real thing?

 
View Profile of bewarethe151 Send a personal message to bewarethe151      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 Next Page )
U-Moderate:
  
v1.5

[ About Tiki Central | Contact Tiki Central | Advertise on Tiki Central ]
(c) 2000-2014 Tikiroom.com (tm), Tiki Central (tm)

Credits & copyright infomation