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fatuhiva
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 634
From: Melbourne Beach, FL
|  Posted: 2003-09-25 8:23 pm Permalink
I can't believe "tiki fans" are spending large money on this newly produced stuff when there is so much real, vintage tikiana that isn't "self aware" out there to be bought.. guess that leaves more for me MUUUAAAHAHAHAHA
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HubbaHubbaTiki
Tiki Centralite
Joined: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 16
From: Seattle
| Posted: 2003-09-26 12:31 am Permalink
This is a very interesting forum! I think it is fine to buy a painting from a very hot artist for $4000 and then sell it for $8000. Just remember that those paintings will now all begin to start selling for $8000. Dealers that sell Shag will want to mark up their paintings as much as the Ebayer will. So will Shag. You will also risk losing a lot of the fans since the work is now out of their price range. I buy art of the the Juxtapoz style and also comic book art( geek!) and I personally would not want to show my face to an artist that I just bought art from, sold it two hours ago and now am asking if he or she has anything else to sell. They would tell me to get lost.
Shag is a new twist in Tiki collecting. Its not something old you find at flea markets. Its new,hot and super hip and as the number of collectors grow from hearing that money can be made collecting Tiki items, this Speculating For Profit will ruin everything.
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Futura Girl
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Oct 01, 2002
Posts: 933 | Posted: 2003-09-26 01:46 am Permalink
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On 2003-09-26 00:31, HubbaHubbaTiki wrote:
... this Speculating For Profit will ruin everything.
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not if it helps support all the great tiki carvers on this site!!!
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fatuhiva
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 634
From: Melbourne Beach, FL
| Posted: 2003-09-26 7:07 pm Permalink
Maybe its just me, but it seems like "tiki collecting" and "shag collecting" are two different things. Shag could paint a dildo and people would want it becuase they collect Shag. Don't get me wrong, I greatly admire Shag's work and his obvious talent.. I just think that his collector's are art collectors, and for the most part the art just happens to be tiki-themed..?
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emspace
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jan 05, 2003
Posts: 875
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2003-09-26 7:40 pm Permalink
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On 2003-09-25 17:14, suicide_sam wrote:
Of course I spent a couple of years selling drugs wehn I was 17-19 and I never had any moral dillema doing that either. ... What you have to realize is that some people have an addictiove personality. ... Honestly all people with addictive personalities are prey. |
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Um, am I hearing you right? People with addictive personalites are "prey"? So THAT'S how dealers justify their bloodsucking, thanks, I've always wondered.
Let me point out a difference between a Shag mug and drugs: a Shag mug never ruined any lives yet that we know of.
dee-sgusted,
em
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Tiki_Bong
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 0 | Posted: 2003-09-26 8:15 pm Permalink
emspace,
I like you (sorry) and appreciate your posts. But Suicide Sam is very correct in his reply.
He's not justifying any previous actions he may have undertaken, he's just making a statement.
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fatuhiva
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 634
From: Melbourne Beach, FL
| Posted: 2003-09-26 9:13 pm Permalink
heeeeeyyyy mmmaaan
Gott annnny Lithhhooosss?
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Suburban Hipster
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Aug 12, 2002
Posts: 272
From: Rockville, Maryland
| Posted: 2003-09-26 10:14 pm Permalink
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On 2003-09-26 20:15, Tiki_Bong wrote:
Suicide Sam is very correct in his reply.
He's not justifying any previous actions he may have undertaken, he's just making a statement.
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On 2003-09-25 17:14, suicide_sam wrote:
Of course I spent a couple of years selling drugs wehn I was 17-19 and I never had any moral dillema doing that either. All your doing is making a profit for moving something, picking it up here at this price, and moving it there at an inflated price. If someone is willing to give you that money then by all means go for it. What you have to realize is that some people have an addictiove personality. These people will pay anything for whatever there vise is. Honestly all people with addictive personalities are prey.
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Reads like a justification to me.
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Alnshely
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 24, 2002
Posts: 974
From: Oceanside CA
| Posted: 2003-09-26 10:35 pm Permalink
I'd like to take this opportunity to stand up for my man Suicide Sam. He's not a teenager anymore and you could cut him some slack. Fred's a good guy and he's our pal. I'd drink with him any day of the week.
Mahalo,
Al
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Futura Girl
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Oct 01, 2002
Posts: 933 | Posted: 2003-09-26 11:17 pm Permalink
ditto
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emspace
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jan 05, 2003
Posts: 875
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2003-09-26 11:27 pm Permalink
Hmm, that's me though: passionate, tend to shoot off my mouth. An old friend of mine used to bodyguard for a blow dealer. He used to refer to people weaker than him as "organic targets", and often referred to the two kinds of people, predator and prey. Once I did some growing up and got over my awe of him, I understood what he was: a sociopath. Those of you who know Suicide Sam, I defer to you, and to you Sam, I apologize. Your post just brought back a lot of sad and ugly memories - needless to say, this man is no longer my friend, we haven't communicated in years.
aloha,
em.
P.S. Bong, being liked by you is no shame! 
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Futura Girl
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Oct 01, 2002
Posts: 933 | Posted: 2003-09-27 03:09 am Permalink
don't feel bad emspace - i was called a "cross dressing queenie" yesterday for speaking my mind on another forum!
sam was just explaining the natural laws of supply and demand saying that if someone wants something bad enough they'll find a supplier using the addiction analogy.
on that note.. a good friend of ours had one of shag's earliest paintings. he had it for years... he was recently offered an excellent price by a private collector and ended up selling it. was he less moral because he waited 10 years before selling it for a profit? if i were him i probably would have done the same.
sometimes not be tied to material things and not owning something can be just as satisfying as owning things.
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suicide_sam
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 26, 2002
Posts: 670
From: LBC
| Posted: 2003-09-27 1:38 pm Permalink
I'm trying to recall a story I heard about Picasso, If I get any of it wrong please correct me.
The story was that Picasso was in a cafe' one day. The waiter came up to him and started gushing telling him, "You are my favorite artist and I wish that I could get an original painting but even the cheapest are out of my price range". Picasso reached for a napkin, drew a little sketch, signed it, handed the napkin to the waiter and told him to take it to an art dealer and with the money he would get from the napkin he could buy a painting. Is buying two paintings and reselling one to cover the expense of the other so bad, and yet selling one piece of art and using the profit to buy another piece of art by the same artist okay?
As for the bloodsucking comment, when I used to sell I had no compassion for addicts, I honestly still don't. I feel that drug addicts are what I scrape off the bottom of my shoe. But if you noticed I also mentioned that I have way overpaid for some vintage pin up art and not cared about the expense, just been happy to get that piece. Everyone has a vice. Of course if your vice is collecting some kind of art it isn't damaging your health the way drugs do, but in both cases you are more than happy to spend your money to get your goods. I know the mentallity is despicable but it's also realistc. If there is a demand, a supply will turn up. And the demand will dictate the price of the supply. This is the principle that I was using as a comparison. If you feel I should be ashamed and try to justify myself for ever having sold drugs, although that life is way behind me still I'ld have to say, sorry but I'm not ashamed and I'm not apologizing for it. I've been out of that biz for ten years now When I got out of that biz I left drugs alone all together and do you think my old clients all went clean, no, they all found new suppliers in a split second. Supply anmd demand. If there is a demand, there will be a supply and the demand will dicate the price of the supply. Although that is all way behind me I still don't blame drug dealers, I blame addicts. If there is no demand then believe me, the suplly will dry up.
This is the last I'm going to post on this topic cause I don't want to turn this into a big thread about the morallity of drugs. If you have a personal issue with me on this topic I ask you to email me directly. Like I said I just don't want to start a huge thread on TC about the morallity of drugs.
suicide_sam@yahoo.com
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Unga Bunga
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Joined: Jun 06, 2003
Posts: 5734
From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2003-09-27 2:06 pm Permalink
http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Yosemite_Sam/ltys_016.wav
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hanford_lemoore
Grand Member (8 years) 
Joined: Mar 23, 2002
Posts: 1864
From: Tiki Central
| Posted: 2003-09-27 3:02 pm Permalink
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On 2003-09-26 19:07, fatuhiva wrote:
Maybe its just me, but it seems like "tiki collecting" and "shag collecting" are two different things. Shag could paint a dildo and people would want it becuase they collect Shag. Don't get me wrong, I greatly admire Shag's work and his obvious talent.. I just think that his collector's are art collectors, and for the most part the art just happens to be tiki-themed..?
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Yes, I agree. Shag has many non-tiki elements in a lot of his work (jet set stuff, beatnik, freak animals, monsters, etc) and it's all collected heavily.
I don't think mostcollectors of Shag's work collect other sorts of Tiki stuff (just a guess on my part).
I love all of shag's work, even the non-tiki stuff.
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