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What is a beatnik?
Jungle Trader
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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:02 am   Permalink

Where did the word "beatnik" come from?
Are there any beatniks today? Who?
I love beatniks.
What embodies a beatnik? What makes a beatnik?
Where?
Why?
Who?
When did beatniks first crawl out of the sea?/climb out of the trees?
Why am I asking these questions? Who the #!*^ are you? you? you? you? awwwww youuu?

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freddiefreelance
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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:08 am   Permalink

This is a beatnik:
:D

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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:12 am   Permalink

Good morning Dr. Freddie!

Ahh yes the founding father. But who do we have today?
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freddiefreelance
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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:38 am   Permalink

Here's the definition I got from the Free Dictionary. I'd say that no, there are no beatniks any more. All the shining lights of that generation seem to be dead, but City Lights is still open, so maybe there's hope still.
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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:39 am   Permalink

"I think of Dean Moriarty -
I think of Dean Moriarty!"


 
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freddiefreelance
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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:49 am   Permalink

"I repeat myself when under stress.
I repeat myself when under stress.
I repeat myself when under stress.
I repeat myself when under stress."
King Crimson

OK, so this isn't from "Beat" but from "Discipline".

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Posted: 2003-11-15 09:54 am   Permalink

Good!
The definiton of "anarchism": a poltical theory favoring the abolition of governments.
Beatniks also favored communal living and use of psychedelic drugs..............well I guess we could just...look like beatniks?
If hippies came before skinheads and beatniks came before hippies....who came before beatniks? Leave it to Beaver?
So ya' say ya' want a Revolution... wel ell ya' know....we all wanna change the world. Ya' tell me it's the institution wel ell ya' know...you betta free your mind instead.
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freddiefreelance
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Posted: 2003-11-15 10:19 am   Permalink

What came before the beatniks? The Lost Generation for 1.
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Tiki Chris
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Posted: 2003-11-15 10:24 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2003-11-15 09:54, jungletrader wrote:
....who came before beatniks?





 
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Posted: 2003-11-15 10:48 am   Permalink

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On 2003-11-15 09:02, jungletrader wrote:
Where did the word "beatnik" come from?



"beat" as in beatitude/beatific,
"nik" as in (the yiddish? hebrew?) suffix meaning something sort of like "one who has the qualities of" or "one who does".

i think mr. Kerouac is credited w/ coining the expression.


 
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freddiefreelance
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Posted: 2003-11-15 10:54 am   Permalink

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On 2003-11-15 10:48, Tiki Chris wrote:
Quote:

On 2003-11-15 09:02, jungletrader wrote:
Where did the word "beatnik" come from?



"beat" as in beatitude/beatific,
"nik" as in (the yiddish? hebrew?) suffix meaning something sort of like "one who has the qualities of" or "one who does".

i think mr. Kerouac is credited w/ coining the expression.



I've heard the "nik" kame from Sputnik, 'cause they were so far out there.
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Posted: 2003-11-15 12:42 pm   Permalink

One time when my Dad was in his twenties he went to a costume shop dumpster found an old Santa suit, blacked out some teeth and an eye. Ripped the suit a bit more, put some dirt on it, then went to a Holloween party as a Beat-Nick.
(is that how it started?)
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Posted: 2003-11-15 12:49 pm   Permalink

Er...what psychedlic drugs did the beatniks have access to? I thought it was red wine and the occasional reefer, which brought gigantic jail terms and was hard to get back then...? And communcal living? I thihnk yer thinking of the hippies.

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Posted: 2003-11-15 12:53 pm   Permalink

P.S. back in my youth (the 1980s let's say) I and my pals called ourselves "The Last Beatniks". We did NOT take drugs, we had SHORT hair, wore a LOT of black clothing, and paid good money to own jazz records and hear world-class live jazz gigs. Communal living? Yeah, cuz we were all poor. We called it "roommates".


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thejab
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Posted: 2003-11-15 1:42 pm   Permalink

The word "beatnik" was coined by San Francisco columnist Herb Caen in 1958 as a term for the original beat writers (Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, etc.) and their followers. Jack Kerouac used the term "beat generation" 10 years before that, using "beat" as a nickname for beatific. Dig?

The beats were the real deal and the beatniks were Hollywood's version, but they're all great in my book.

Lenny Bruce was beat. Tom Waits is probably the only true beat left. Joe Strummer was beat but he's gone now.
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