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TikiHula
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From: SacTown
Posted: 2002-11-10 12:25 pm   Permalink

The more we drink...the better we think...
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tikibars
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Joined: Apr 11, 2002
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From: Aku Hall, Chicago
Posted: 2002-11-11 2:10 pm   Permalink

Two things:

I am certainly wary of any thread that is so dangerously close to becoming a witch-hunt, but that said, let me add one thing: I have been warning people away from dealing with Tiki Trader for at least five years now. I don't have anything against him personally, never having dealt with him, but he has been taking people's money and delivering either broken merchandise, or nothing at all for YEARS. I receive reports of this behavior pn a regular basis. All we can do is let each other know about this, and simply avoid doing business with him.

That said, I think I am going to give up Tiki forever and start collecting Noggins!
(thanks for the link!).
These rule!







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Trader_Rick
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Joined: Oct 08, 2002
Posts: 155
From: Santa Barbara, CA
Posted: 2002-11-12 03:10 am   Permalink

Wow! People really hate Allen! Well, I don't know what is up with the article he wrote, that's not the Allen I met. I've never ordered anything from him, just dealt with him in person. He's a little expensive, but outside of that I thought he was very knowledgable and helpful. The second time I went to his store, I bought a necklace for my girlfriend and a mug. He would not take a credit card or check, of course, but when I told him I had no cash, he just said, "That's OK, you can pay me next time!" Needless to say, he moved before I could ever pay him.

Anyway, it sounds like my experience with Allen was the exception rather than rule, but yes, someone out there DOES have something nice to say about him! Maybe he went nuts or something. It sounds like he's just bitter in that article. From all the negative experiences others have had with him, though, it is clear to me now why I am the only person in all of cyberspace that has a link to his website on mine.


 
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Unga Bunga
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Joined: Jun 06, 2003
Posts: 5822
From: CaliTikifornia
Posted: 2003-06-19 11:05 pm   Permalink

Hey, Someone pull that Tiki out of St. James' ass.

 
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princxs
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Joined: Jun 19, 2003
Posts: 5
Posted: 2003-06-21 09:28 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2002-11-11 14:10, tikibars wrote:
Two things:

I am certainly wary of any thread that is so dangerously close to becoming a witch-hunt, but that said, let me add one thing: I have been warning people away from dealing with Tiki Trader for at least five years now. I don't have anything against him personally, never having dealt with him, but he has been taking people's money and delivering either broken merchandise, or nothing at all for YEARS. I receive reports of this behavior pn a regular basis. All we can do is let each other know about this, and simply avoid doing business with him.

That said, I think I am going to give up Tiki forever and start collecting Noggins!
(thanks for the link!).
These rule!











 
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Rattiki
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Joined: May 03, 2003
Posts: 422
From: Key West, FL
Posted: 2003-06-21 5:49 pm   Permalink

Well this is very interesting on several levels. Firstly from what I have read in Sven's book, "TIKI" is 'Made in (mainland) America'. An amalgamation of all things Pan-Pacific and Poly-South East Asian with a splash of cartoon that seems to have originated more out of Hollywood than Honolulu. I even see where it has been said that at one time Hawaii actually imported the Polypop culture to meet the expectations of the howlie tour-ons! (that's a cross between a tourist and a moron ). The word 'Tiki' seems to have come from other than Polynesian origins and I have seen a couple of speculations, but I suspect that since Thor H. had used it in the name for his boat the 'Kon Tiki' that it just stuck.

So what is the big deal? I don't even see that much of a similarity in many of the classic Hawaiian carvings and what is touted as being Tikis. So how can anyone be particularly insulted? It is all just in good fun, just like the 'South of the Border' fantasy has little to do with Mexico.

Also this one killed me:

[quote]What would Christians throughout the Mainland think if
Islanders created a fad, "all things saintly," for example. What
if Islanders created silly images of Christian saints, decorated
their dens with white-robed bearded cartoon figures with
glowing circles above their heads, and maybe a bunch of
robed guys and gals with multicolored wings flapping behind
their backs ... you could have cloud-shaped beanbag chairs. A
bar shaped like a cathedral.[quote/]

I guess this guy has not spent much time in Latin America, or been to a Latino Family's home in a working class neighborhood in anywhere USA!


 
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Pacific Andy
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Joined: Feb 17, 2003
Posts: 193
From: Tahiti
Posted: 2003-06-23 1:43 pm   Permalink

Isnt this the guy that use to be in Ventura California? If it is he seemed to be just a lazy guy that used the store as an excuse to get up in the morning and go somewhere. Kind of a weird article since he is making money off the Tiki and in the article he promotes himself with his contact info. I didnt think he was all that sharp, but now I know he isnt. I guess moving to Hawaii made him a born again or reformed Tiki purest.

 
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Joined: Mar 24, 2002
Posts: 2242
From: seattle, wa
Posted: 2005-10-30 8:26 pm   Permalink

Tiki Trader's reinvented himself again star bulletin (Tuesday, July 19, 2005)

i dont know what planet he's collecting on, but from what i know, Hawaiiana collectors are very competitve, and they're NOT collecting mugs. cripes.


"Collectors show brings the best of Hawaiiana


My favorite event of the year is coming up this weekend: da Hawaii All-Collectors Show at the Blaisdell, July 23 and 24.
I have been to shops and shows all over the country dealing with Hawaiiana and I gotta tellya, nothing equals a real Hawaiiana/collector's show in Hawaii. It's not a competitive thing. You meet the local Hawaiian dealers. You talk story with them. Malihini experience what is called "aloha spirit" firsthand.

The Hawaii All-Collectors Show is a welcome change for those who frequent collectibles shows, wherein they can buy and barter in the casual, friendly island fashion. If you are accustomed to collectibles events and shops on the mainland, get ready for something entirely different. Too often we are witness to grumpy buyers and sellers in hyper-competitive venues elsewhere. Buyers scan a booth without looking up or talking story or even sharing a simple greeting. They command, "I will give you this much for that." They launch right into a dollar amount, with no semblance of friendliness. Some with a lowball offer, adding insult to injury. No ho'omalimali. No talk story. Just attack like a stormtrooper. Where's the fun in that?

And they spout their unsolicited criticism or abrasive opinions -- "Oh, that's not a tiki mug," or "Jeez, I can get that for a dollar cheaper around the corner!" and they walk away with no further conversation or acknowledgement. And the mainland sellers, they sit there with a defensive, angry demeanor, looking like they were weaned on a pickle. When it gets too competitive, the heart and soul is lost from the adventure.

No, we in Hawaii prefer the ohana feel -- after all, we are one big family, in the collectibles arena. And we enjoy sharing our love for collectibles in general and our favorites in particular, trade stories, offer hints and tips on all aspects of the life of the hunter and collector.

speaking of arena, the great era of wrestling at the Civic Arena will be covered at the collectors show. This year's event features a multimedia display covering Hawaii's "Golden Age of Wrestling" from the 1960s and '70s. The display will consist of fan photographs, fabulous Super-8mm film/video taken at the matches, some audio of the wrestlers at interviews, wrestling memorabilia, a re-creation of the large wrestling TV cards, and special autographed 50th State Wrestling theme T-shirts, and -- newsflash! -- we have just received word that King Curtis "The Bull" Iaukea, one of the most popular and outrageous wrestlers from Hawaii's pro wrestling heyday, will be staging one of his famous 50th State Wrestling locker room interviews on Saturday at da show. Should be great fun!

We also will be witness to an amazing speed marathon build of two tenor ukuleles from beginning to end, only during show hours, by the Ukulele Guild of Hawaii.

The Hawaiiana show is not a flea market. It contains numerous vendors of collectibles both high end and medium end of rare, fairly hard-to-find Hawaiiana (and non-Hawaiiana) representing all the eras. At least 200 vendors of pre-contact, monarchy, royalty collectibles, as well as the steamship-era tourist collectibles and '60s/'70s stuff.

This being the "All-Collectors Show" of Hawaii, they always seem to have a fabulous offering of all types of favorites from all eras, without those ridiculously inflated prices we see on the mainland. The show is an important venue as a source of Polynesiana in general. The appeal of Hawaiiana and collectibles in general is reaching an all-time high internationally. Let's continue to grow it. See you at da Hawaii All-Collectors Show this Saturday and Sunday!"



Alan "Kimo" St. James is a collector, author and videographer who lives in Honolulu. You can reach him at kimolanikai@yahoo.com

Article URL: http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/19/editorial/commentary.html
1996-2005 The Honolulu Star-Bulletin | www.starbulletin.com


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KuKuAhu
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Joined: Dec 23, 2002
Posts: 567
From: Kahiki, Ohio
Posted: 2006-07-18 1:27 pm   Permalink

Good thread.

 
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tikigreg
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Joined: Mar 24, 2002
Posts: 1171
From: ClubTiki
Posted: 2006-07-18 3:36 pm   Permalink

Allen St. James, the bad penny of Poly Pop! Well, I still enjoy my badly hacked piece of wood he sold me a few years ago, a "tiki" I had to go to the mats to get from him. I think of it as having survived the "Tiki Gauntlet"!

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Phillip Roberts
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Joined: Sep 09, 2003
Posts: 1611
From: OAHU/Seattle
Posted: 2006-07-18 4:21 pm   Permalink



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rodeotiki
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Joined: Jan 21, 2004
Posts: 1513
From: calgary
Posted: 2006-07-18 5:42 pm   Permalink

Quote:

Kimo LANIKAI, hmmmmm. Ya think?

[ This Message was edited by: filslash 2006-07-18 16:22 ]



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MrBaliHai
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Joined: Jun 01, 2002
Posts: 804
Posted: 2006-07-18 6:27 pm   Permalink

Don't tell me that Tiki Trader is still around? Why haven't the Honolulu Better Business Bureau and the FBI's Mail Fraud Division shut this guy down yet? My blood pressure's rising just thinking about the runaround he gave me.
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Sneakytiki
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Joined: Mar 31, 2003
Posts: 1795
From: Boise, Idaho
Posted: 2006-07-19 12:52 am   Permalink

"The word 'Tiki' seems to have come from other than Polynesian origins and I have seen a couple of speculations, but I suspect that since Thor H. had used it in the name for his boat the 'Kon Tiki' that it just stuck."
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Rattiki, "tiki" IS a word of Polynesian origins and is used among the Marquesans and New Zealanders among others, Hawaii is a more recently settled island and though Hawaiians speak a Polynesian tongue related to the others, they lost the "t" consonant, often replacing it with a "k" sound, thus Tapa in Fiji and Polynesia became "kapa" in Hawaii and Tiki became "ki'i", which is close to kiki, which is what you'd expect it to be with the k replaces t rule, whew! Hope that clears up some thing for somebody, even if that something is only that I am a nerd!

Aloha
Sneakytiki

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GROG
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Joined: Jun 21, 2006
Posts: 6915
From: Tujunga
Posted: 2006-07-19 09:17 am   Permalink

Spoke with "Tiki Trader" on the phone once.
Quickly realized he embodied the spirit of
A-hola.


 
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