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FLOUNDERart
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Joined: Sep 02, 2003
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From: Orlando Florida
Posted: 2004-03-22 2:58 pm   Permalink

Lars, come on!

Your not getting it.
Your paintings look like shag painted them. That's the problem.
Being influenced by someone is fine, but you have gone way past that.

As far as my art being original, I highly doubt anyone is going to look at anyone of my images and say "hey isn't that a Shag or a so and so".

My mug paintings are just that "paintings of existing mugs" it's like a still life.

My burlaps are mostly commisioned and are paintings of tiki's from the past that the people who commisioned them want on their walls, and some are images I have made up.

My abstracts are in the style of Basquiate, the key words being "in the style of" not the exact images of.

We are all influenced.

You definitely have talent. I would like to see something else of yours that is not shaglike.

Peace out.



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Kailuageoff
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Joined: Mar 27, 2002
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From: Honolulu Lounge,Lewes, DE
Posted: 2004-03-22 3:28 pm   Permalink

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On 2004-03-22 13:52, Lars wrote:
I'm not here to kiss anyones ass, or stroke them by telling them how cool they are. I'm not trying to wiggle my way into your hip scene. I don't care, frankly. I don't like people that much.



I guess this says it all.


 
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Lars
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 57
From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2004-03-22 4:15 pm   Permalink

"your paintings look like Shag painted them". Thanks. That was the effect I was going for. Nothing more, nothing less. It's neat to be able to do that. That's it. I don't play it up to be more than it is. Anyway, it's good to have at least 1 a**hole on the board, I'll gladly take that spot. It gives some of you a focus point for all of your pent up frustrations about this subject. I do enjoy reading the different opinions on this matter, doesn't change my thinking though.


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Swanky
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Joined: Apr 03, 2002
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2004-03-22 4:46 pm   Permalink

<<Swanky, there are styles in every form of expression, music, art, etc. Surely style doesn't make something original. More like a signature.>>

I think that's splitting hairs. You can paint in the style of Shag or Flounder and be very different from them. Or you can be exactly like them. Their style is unique.

Hell, there isn't much original material, but is a woman by Monet not original?

Let's say it this way. Anyone who looks at your work on Ebay who knows Shag's art will say it looks like Shag's art, or may be a copy, I don't know. But I would assume it is, since it looks so much like his stuff. It un-original.

Sure I know Flounder's work from having seen it. But anyone who sees it once will forever recognize his original expression. Maybe even see a brand new work by him that is a different medium and say "Is this a Flounder?" That's originality. You may call is style, but it's still an original style.
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2004-03-22 4:48 pm   Permalink

<<it's good to have at least 1 a**hole on the board, I'll gladly take that spot.>>

Sorry, that place has already been taken.
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Lars
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
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From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2004-03-22 4:54 pm   Permalink

Swanky, you keep going over the same thing that I admitted in my first post. What I do is not original, yes. I don't try to dupe people into believing that these are actual Shag paintings, which I probably could do. I state it very plain, THIS IS NOT AN ORiGINAL SHAG PAINTING. If someone doesn't understand what that means, then I am sorry. Anyway, you're all the hip tiki guys in the know. Doesn't ayone know the Shag?? Tell him of this blasphemy, put the wheels in motion. No skin off my back.

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Turbogod
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Posted: 2004-03-22 5:04 pm   Permalink

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On 2004-03-22 11:46, Tiki_Bong wrote:

Kind of reminds me of the 9 Inch Nails (I think) tune with the lyrics "Children are innocent, teenagers fucked up in the head, adults are even more fucked up, and elderly are like children". I love that thought and cling to it dearly hoping that it's true...



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Lars
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
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From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2004-03-22 5:18 pm   Permalink

Maybe I'll just go with that Tiki-Nagel hybrid idea I've been working on.

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Formikahini
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Joined: Aug 22, 2002
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From: Houston, Texotica
Posted: 2004-03-22 5:22 pm   Permalink

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On 2004-03-22 14:16, rodeotiki wrote:
WOW, I am fairly new and have tried to be respectfull of everyone I have come across. Just having finished carving my second ever tiki I doubt if I will post pics ever. For fear of being roasted. I spent hours reading and sketching different aspects of tikis I have found here and theres is a little influence from everyone here. The last thing I want is to be accussed of copying when I was looking for some influence and insperation to turn into my own tiki. Best luck to all.

Hi Rodeotiki (great name!)!

Please don't fear the board. The only way I can see that someone might toss his negative personal opinion your way would be if you tried very very very hard to carve something eXACTly like Leroy or Wayne, then immediately tried to sell it publically, hoping to have it mistaken for a Leroy or Wayne. AND collecting what should be their money for the design.

I mean, bands (or the clubs where they play)have to pay royalties to cover songs! Live, and on their recordings. If it's someone else's work you are using and you're making money off of it, you pay them the money for their song, and you keep the money for the performance.

You'll find this board FULL of people putting up fotos of "my first tiki" or "my first try" and the reception is, to my memory, 100% positive, even when the work wasn't, well, breathtakingly original. But in fact, there is ALWAYS something cool about somebody pulling out the chainsaw or chisel and whacking away. TC is also full of people who carve beautiful pieces very much in the style of various masters or tribal designs, and they'll be the first to admit, "This is my new Maori-type piece" etc. Or they've met the master who's worked they've learned from and gotten his blessing.

I'm sure the line is hard to keep firm - the line between tribute/homage and outright copying. (I'm unsure where it lies myself.)But it seems like when Band Y starts out mining the same territory as Band X, it is not the same thing as Band Y trying to sound EXACTLY like Band X - but isn't Band X. I'd just be kinda embarrassed, frankly.

So I say, please do show us your stuff! I have a feeling it's going to have some similarities to lotsa pieces on here, but won't likely look exactly like any one piece. (I mean, how many varieties of "wooden Polynesian figure with weird grimacing face" can there be?? Wait, don't answer that. I keep being amazed at the depth and breadth.)

And if it does look exactly like another piece, who cares? You're starting out you say, and every art class in the universe starts out by copying the Grand Masters, then moving on from there.

Ride 'em, cowboy! Show that bad bronc who's boss!
Warmly,
Formikahini


 
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Lars
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From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2004-03-22 5:27 pm   Permalink

I've played in several cover bands, and I don't remember paying anyone a thing. Come to think of it, I don't remember even being paid.

 
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Formikahini
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Joined: Aug 22, 2002
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From: Houston, Texotica
Posted: 2004-03-22 5:36 pm   Permalink

Yep, clubs do get nasty letters and/or visits from ASCAP and BMI, asking for percentages, for which I can't blame them. When I booked clubs in Austin, we'd have scares like this, and bands would be instructed to play only originals until the commotion died down! Mind you, the bands' pay was paltry to be sure anyway, and a patron hearing a Ramones cover was unlikely to NOT buy the Ramones album because he could hear the songs at his local rat-hole club. There-in lies the difference, perhaps.

But most assuredly, if your published song is covered on a recording, and the cover-er makes $ off of it, you will too (assuming your publishing company has its head out of its a**). And should.


 
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Tiki_Bong
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Posted: 2004-03-22 5:53 pm   Permalink

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On 2004-03-22 16:15, Lars wrote:
Anyway, it's good to have at least 1 a**hole on the board, I'll gladly take that spot.



Sorry, but king sphincter would be the coveted title filled by me; just ask the discarded remains of the TC newbies strewn about.

I do however have an opening for a hemorrhoid or 2. Apply within.
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Benzart
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From: Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Posted: 2004-03-22 5:56 pm   Permalink

I don't know how this thread got so far out of hand. This is a Volitile subject for sure and it looks like we All have strong opinions. I do not like to dwell on so much negative ramblings, it takes too much energy and dulls the creative juices. It probably affects the newer artists the most and to them I say don't let this thread get under your skin and don't let it stop you from creating and displaying your works. I strongly suggest we ease up and put this thread away, It is creating too much negative energy.
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Lars
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
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From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2004-03-22 6:12 pm   Permalink

Does this mean that my Tiki-Nagel hybrid idea doesn't have any takers??? We can call it "Tigel", or maybe "Naki"?? The 80s are still "in", aren't they?? God, the money that could be made!!


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roaring tiki
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Posted: 2004-03-22 6:42 pm   Permalink

swanky: intersting comments seeing as how you sell a cd of bootleg music on your site.

http://www.swankpad.org/exotica/exotica.htm

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