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Hakalugi
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Posted: 2005-02-08 8:02 pm   Permalink

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On 2005-02-07 19:37, Slacks Ferret wrote:
I just wanted to know who else has had the Golden Wave from Intoxica?Opinions?




Excellent drink. One of my favorites. It has been in my top five for serving to guests.

Another favorite of mine is the Gone the Beachcomber from the Grog Log as well as the similar Demerara Dry Float from Intoxica.


 
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Kono
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Posted: 2005-02-11 7:08 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2005-02-07 19:37, Slacks Ferret wrote:
I just wanted to know who else has had the Golden Wave from Intoxica?Opinions?

Mine: It's a friggin good drink!
Have 2...they're small!



I keep a little Wordpad log of my impressions as I work my way through these books. It's mostly a bunch of gibberish for my eyes only but for the Golden Wave I have written down: "Good, not great, but pretty damn good!"

I've come to accept that drinks, like music, will have different levels of appeal to different people. I've read several people (esp Pablus) rave about the Test Pilot and so I made my first (with Velvet Falernum) with great expectations and I truly hated it. On the other had, many people here don't care for Pernod but I really do like it. It's just a matter of taste. Then there's the damn lime. It's so exasperating to go through these recipes and (for me) have all this nice top shelf rum overpowered and destroyed by the lime juice. I know some folks here by routine cut the amount of lime juice in half but I am forcing myself to try each and every recipe as it is written if it is possible. Once I've finished the list then I will likely go back and try reducing the lime (and lemon) juice amounts to taste.

I know theories have been tossed about here as to why these recipes seem far too overwhelmed by lime to many of us. Were limes less sour back in the 50s and 60s? Things like that. I was wondering the other day about the diets of those who frequented the tiki bars in those classic days. They were more likely to smoke back then. Cigarettes, cigars, pipes. They may have consumed more coffee (at least the cheap black stuff). Martinis for lunch. Food was greasier and saltier. Maybe their taste buds were shot to hell! Maybe that's why these toxic levels of lime juice tasted good to them.

You ever watch Fear Factor? When the contestant has to eat something especially disgusting, like a live spider or beetle, they sometimes start tearing up or actually crying before they chomp down on it. I just made my first Demerera Dry Float and that was just how I felt. I finally got a bottle of Maraschino liqueur and thought "Now I finally get to try a Demerera Dry Float!" Then I look at the recipe...2.5oz of lime juice! But I must stay faithful to the recipe. I'm crying as I'm making it, "This is gonna suck, waste of good demerera rum, goddamn old recipes..." Well, not really crying but bitching and moaning for sure. Actually the drink is not as bad as I expected, but it is a bit too tart for me. The passionfruit syrup took the edge of the lime fairly well. By the looks of it I think I will like the Gone the Beachcomber better though. I will know soon enough!

My favorites so far:

Intoxica:
Beachbum's Own
Chief's Calabash
Hawaiian Eye
Heaven's Above
Macadamia Nut Chi Chi
Don the Beachcomber Chi Chi
(I'm only into the "Ms")

Grog Log:
Blackbeard's Ghost
Castaway
Cruzana
Headhunter
Kapu-Kai

Least favorites: Doctor Funk and Test Pilot.
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Tikiwahine
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Posted: 2005-04-15 11:26 am   Permalink

I had a couple of Damon's Mai Tais from Taboo Table the other night, and they were damm tasty!

Got me nice and sauced, and MachTiki can vouch for me on that one.

They have juices(dear lord, NO!) and no rock candy syrup(which I can't seem to find a Canadian source for - other than my hummingbird feeder)

Tasty suckers none the less. I also got to use my new lime squeezing gadget, which worked like a charm. One handed, AND I was left with a clean shell to use as a cheap-ass garnish.


I loved mine so much that I took it to bed with me. And no, it didn't call the next day.
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Swanky
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Posted: 2005-04-15 11:54 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2005-02-11 19:08, Kono wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-02-07 19:37, Slacks Ferret wrote:
I just wanted to know who else has had the Golden Wave from Intoxica?Opinions?

Mine: It's a friggin good drink!
Have 2...they're small!



I keep a little Wordpad log of my impressions as I work my way through these books. It's mostly a bunch of gibberish for my eyes only but for the Golden Wave I have written down: "Good, not great, but pretty damn good!"

I've come to accept that drinks, like music, will have different levels of appeal to different people. I've read several people (esp Pablus) rave about the Test Pilot and so I made my first (with Velvet Falernum) with great expectations and I truly hated it. On the other had, many people here don't care for Pernod but I really do like it. It's just a matter of taste. Then there's the damn lime. It's so exasperating to go through these recipes and (for me) have all this nice top shelf rum overpowered and destroyed by the lime juice. I know some folks here by routine cut the amount of lime juice in half but I am forcing myself to try each and every recipe as it is written if it is possible. Once I've finished the list then I will likely go back and try reducing the lime (and lemon) juice amounts to taste.

I know theories have been tossed about here as to why these recipes seem far too overwhelmed by lime to many of us. Were limes less sour back in the 50s and 60s? Things like that. I was wondering the other day about the diets of those who frequented the tiki bars in those classic days. They were more likely to smoke back then. Cigarettes, cigars, pipes. They may have consumed more coffee (at least the cheap black stuff). Martinis for lunch. Food was greasier and saltier. Maybe their taste buds were shot to hell! Maybe that's why these toxic levels of lime juice tasted good to them.

You ever watch Fear Factor? When the contestant has to eat something especially disgusting, like a live spider or beetle, they sometimes start tearing up or actually crying before they chomp down on it. I just made my first Demerera Dry Float and that was just how I felt. I finally got a bottle of Maraschino liqueur and thought "Now I finally get to try a Demerera Dry Float!" Then I look at the recipe...2.5oz of lime juice! But I must stay faithful to the recipe. I'm crying as I'm making it, "This is gonna suck, waste of good demerera rum, goddamn old recipes..." Well, not really crying but bitching and moaning for sure. Actually the drink is not as bad as I expected, but it is a bit too tart for me. The passionfruit syrup took the edge of the lime fairly well. By the looks of it I think I will like the Gone the Beachcomber better though. I will know soon enough!



I tried this for a while myself. But I got to the point I was unable to finish drinks that were so sour. I was literally pouring them down the drain. And that's me and the Ms. So I quit that. I'd rather use a little sense on it and cut the lime down and try it and then I can add more if I think it fits. Some recipes I just don't bother with. I know I will hate them regardless. Lime is the main ingredient!

The thing is, these recipes were put together by Jeff Barry. So, he must love sour drinks. He didn't just copy old recipes into his book, but reworked them. So, it's not 1950's tastes to blame, but Mr. Berry.

Tikiwahine, take that lime shell and put 151 in it and set to "sea" aflame!
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pablus
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Posted: 2005-04-15 12:22 pm   Permalink

<<<So, it's not 1950's tastes to blame, but Mr. Berry.
>>>

Wanna fight about it, syrup boy?

Berry didn't pen those sour drink recipes from Trader Vic that I've got... or the ones from any of my other old manuals.

I like it sour. Though the drinks Berry taught are definitely on the sour side, I've tried scaling back the lime and found that the rum overwhelms.

Just make sure you get it right when I'm up there in a few weeks.


 
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Urban Tiki
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Posted: 2005-04-15 2:08 pm   Permalink

To each his own. Mixology has always been more art than science, so exact measurements mean less than taste. Take martinis (my favorite non-tiki concoction), if you look at the recipe in any mixology book, there is way more vermouth called for than most martini drinkers like. Most martini drinkers like them bone dry.

I happen to like my tiki drinks more sweet than sour, but that doesn't make it right.


 
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Posted: 2005-04-15 4:39 pm   Permalink

<<<I happen to like my tiki drinks more sweet than sour, but that doesn't make it right.>>>

Didn't Sinatra do a song that had that line in it?



I always mix up a sour bowl, a sweet bowl and a bitter bowl at the Lagoon Lounge to let everyone enjoy. And then when everyone has left, I blend the leftovers and chug them. Now, THAT's sophistication.


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Kono
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Posted: 2005-04-15 7:37 pm   Permalink

I'd just like to add a curious anecdote that I related in some other thread:

I noticed in my mixology experiments that my previously acknowledged (by me) lack of olfaction (poor sense of smell) was preventing me from being even a decent amateur mixologist. I knew my schnozzle was weak but after making my favorite Mai Tai recipe and finding it very bland a little 7 watt light bulb fizzled to life above my head and I realized I had a problem. No one should ever have to suffer through a bland Mai Tai!

Being as I am reluctant to visit doctors or engage in basic "health care" or "well being," I went to Target and got some generic over the counter Claritin. What a difference it has made! I now smell the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I love the smells of orgeat and mint, and the smells of tropical foliage but I am hating the smells of cat piss around the apartment building and the smell of people who wash their hair every four days.

Anyway, since I've started taking this allergy medication I have found that I am liking more lime or lemon juice in my drinks. Yes, MORE! My only theory is that with a poorer sense of smell my brain could not perceive some of the smell and taste of the syrups and non-citrus juices that balanced out the lime and lemon.

I have not yet tried any of the more offensive recipes from Berry's books but I will soon. I don't hold a great deal of hope for the Test Pilot however. I found it to be tasting like (theoretically) sucking the patchouil oil out of a 90 year old Bedouin's well used foot towel but that was pre-Claritin s I reserve the right to be wrong.
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trustar
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Posted: 2005-04-16 5:50 pm   Permalink

Kono

Good top see you pop up on this thread. I recently tried your Rabid Mongoose. Great drink! The folks that I made it for first, I found out, did not like molassas at all. So I tasted it and it has been my favorite for the last month or two. I like molassas! I am making up small decorative drink "cards/coasters" for each of my drinks, so when I make up the ones for the Rabid Mongoose I will PM you so I can send you one.

Ciao

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Kono
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Posted: 2005-04-17 08:31 am   Permalink

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On 2005-04-16 17:50, trustar wrote:
Kono

Good top see you pop up on this thread. I recently tried your Rabid Mongoose. Great drink! The folks that I made it for first, I found out, did not like molassas at all. So I tasted it and it has been my favorite for the last month or two. I like molassas! I am making up small decorative drink "cards/coasters" for each of my drinks, so when I make up the ones for the Rabid Mongoose I will PM you so I can send you one.

Ciao

Trustar



Thanks Trustar! I think that drink is the one that got me to thinking about the allergy thing. One day I thought it was really good and a couple weeks later I thought it was crap. I kept trying to re-work the recipe and then finally figured out that I might have a sniffer problem. I was just thinking last night about trying that drink out with vanilla rum subbing for the light rum.

I keep a little live mint plant in the kitchen for fresh mint sprigs. I use it as a smell tester, if I can't smell the mint (like last night) then I don't even bother with the cocktails as I won't taste them correctly. I just have a beer or rum and coke.

That would be really cool to get one of those coasters. Mahalo!
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Posted: 2005-04-17 12:39 pm   Permalink

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=9766&forum=10&vpost=100875

Not that I don't trust trustar... (he does hang out with people of questionable character from the HB)... but I want to judge this recipe this evening, along with a couple of Navy Grogs, and see whether it's deserving of its own coaster or not.

Reads well, and I've got an unopened bottle of Cruzan Blackstrap and one of Barbancourt waiting to be appreciated.



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Kono
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Posted: 2005-04-17 1:17 pm   Permalink

Pablus, that's my first, my virgin, original drink. I haven't had it in quite some time so I dunno. I loved it when I first made it though.
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PiPhiRho
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Posted: 2005-04-17 5:28 pm   Permalink

I finally found my missing copies of Grog Log and Intoxica today. I noticed that Intoxica has the recipe for the Dr. Funk. I realized that I had ALL the ingredients, and so I went crazy today mixing Dr. Funks. I was disappointed with the Intoxica recipe, having had a Dr. Funk last night at Trader Vic's. So, I started experimenting. For one thing, I am using fresh KEY limes instead of the more common limes and lemons. A good result! The Intoxica recipe was too tart (the key limes may have been a part of that, too) and so I used more grenadine and I added Gin to the rum. I really like the result. Kind of like a Dr. Funk Fogcutter. A very nice drink. I think I have had a few too many of them.


 
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Posted: 2005-04-18 06:43 am   Permalink


Bring on the coaster!
The Rabid Mongoose is a winner.




 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2005-04-18 09:03 am   Permalink

The missus volunteered to help out with a family hawaiian themed wedding shower. We found a couple of easy to make drinks from the books and she mixed. I think it was the Sventiki and something. Anyway. She mixes thema nd they are good. But the guests hated them. Wanted them more sweet. We picked sweet drinks mind you. So, she added more pineapple syrup. "Sweeter!" So more Grenadine. Craziness. And then one of the guests puts Equal inthe drink to boot! Man. I thought I liked sweeter drinks, but that was just craziness.

The same people ignored the fruit and vegetable trays and the finger sandwiches to dive into M&Ms...
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