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tiki mick
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Joined: Aug 11, 2003
Posts: 398
From: Socal
Posted: 2004-05-17 3:16 pm   Permalink

Well, out of the 4, Harrison was probably the hippest....

I manage to piss most of my friends off when I "diss" the beatles..but I just can't help myself!

When I was 5 I bought my first two records with my allowance..My mom took me to the record store where I bought "meet the beatles" and "rock around the clock-Bill haley and his comets"

I played tennis racket air guitar with the Comet's album over and over 'till my family was sick and tired of it! I used to bury my head inside the old furniture style stereo console, and just lose myself in the deliciously hip rock-a-billy sounds of Bill Haley...

To this day, "Rock around the clock" and "burn that candle" still give me goose bumps!

To be fair, the second rockabilly wave started with "amreican graffitti" and "happy days"(my favorite show when I was 8-10 YO) so I was already hip to it, even at a young age...

I also listened to my Mom's arthur lyman and martin denny albums over and over..I practically killed "Bwana-e" and "taboo" from over-listening...(well, that one and Mahavishnu orchestra's inner mounting flame album)

But, the beatles album just never did it for me...

To this day, I only like a few beatles songs...and whereas I acknowledge thier songwriting and influence on later groups...I happen to think a lot of the other english bands at the time were better....The Who, for starters...the stones, Bowie..etc...

And the doors compared to the beatles?

IMHO, the Doors completely blew the beatles away..and the prog rock groups that copied the beatles (King Crimson, Yes ect....) did a better job of fusing styles.

In fact, the YES version of "every little thing" is a way better version then the original....

I dunno, but the beatles remind me of spinal tap a bit...

I know I am a minority when it comes to this...

I do like Adrian belew, however...and he is a beatle freak...and ELO was pretty good at the time too....

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Trader Woody
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Manor, Forest of Bowland,UK
Posted: 2004-05-17 3:16 pm   Permalink

Advertised as playing a village hall a few miles away from me was 'Elvis, with his friends John Lennon and Roy Orbison'. They didn't metion that they were tribute acts anywhere on the ad - perhaps I just missed the gig of the century.

Trader Woody

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Jungle Trader
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Joined: Jan 04, 2003
Posts: 3755
From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
Posted: 2004-05-17 3:16 pm   Permalink

Well said Johnny Dollar. How can you pit one as the better when it's really apples and oranges. Elvis was different. Beatles played music for the mind. I could listen to Dear Prudence, Glass Onion and Savoy Truffle a million times and not get sick of it.

Oki NiKsoKoWa
(Hello all my relatives)

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From: Tradewinds Apartments, Alameda, CA
Posted: 2004-05-17 4:58 pm   Permalink

I agree with Tiki Mick (and others) in that the Beatles are overrated.

As rock 'n roll legends both Elvis and the Beatles started out great but their later stuff is boring compared to many of their contemporaries.

Elvis' Sun records are incredible, original, and influential. But his RCA output was watered-down rockabilly for mainstream white audiences (though I admit some of the tunes are great songs - which Elvis didn't write). You could hardly hear the great guitarist Scotty Moore on the RCA stuff. After his army stint he didn't release many good records, and most were not rockers but were Hollywood show tunes from his movies. Though I do admit I like quite a few of his movies. He's really not a bad actor when he tries, and the movies are entertaining in their own way.

The Beatles also started out really rocking (though un-original as they did mostly covers of American R&B and rockabilly) and were very influential. But the bands they influenced were more pop oriented (like the Turtles, Byrds, Mamas and the Papas, etc.). I think the Who, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks, and the Yardbirds influenced the more rockin' groups of the mid 60s (the 60s garage and punk groups), which in turn led to bands like the Stooges and then 70s punk rock. Without the Beatles there still would have been surf, soul, garage, and punk in the 60s.

Furthermore, I think the Beatles got way too self-indulgent and boring in their later albums, which led to a million pretentious 60s and 70s bands (like the Eagles to name just one). They took the fun out of rock 'n roll, until the Ramones brought it back.

I hate it when people say "rock n' roll was dead after Elvis went in the Army and Buddy died, until the Beatles brought it back". That is just untrue! There was so much good music during that period: doo wop, rockabilly, R&B, the start of Soul music, surf, Northwest rock, not to mention Exotica and other lounge music that reached it's peak in the late 50s and early 60s.

Top 40 radio was pretty bad for the most part during that period. One reason is because the bad press about rock 'n roll (Jerry Lee marrying his 13-year-old cousin and other stories) and the Payola scandal made radio DJs wary of playing what they wanted and taking chances, so they just played what was safe, which was chosen by record executives: Bobby Vee, Bobby Vinton, Frankie Avalon, etc. But there was still so much good music out there between Elvis and the Beatles.

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Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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From: outside the windy city
Posted: 2004-05-17 5:04 pm   Permalink

Okay,this is no contest-quiz time-how many John Lennon impersonators are out there??? Hmmm? You have to go with Elvis-"down in the jungle room".

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Joined: May 24, 2002
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From: Dallas, TX
Posted: 2004-05-17 6:33 pm   Permalink

Beatles. No question. I also have to agree with...

On 2004-05-17 09:23, liabungalo wrote:
I honestly can't think of a better Elvis than Costello.

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Joined: Nov 29, 2002
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From: San Diego, CA
Posted: 2004-05-17 7:54 pm   Permalink

I must confess, I did have a pretty good time when I went to see the Ringo Starr All-Star Band at the SDSU ampitheater here. We were all standing up singing along to Yellow Submarine, Act Naturaly & Octopus's Garden. It didn't hurt that Ringo was being backed by Ian Hunter, Greg Lake & Sheila E. One of the most satisfying concert experiences I've had in the last five years (and that includes the Stones' 40 Licks tour).

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Joined: Aug 01, 2003
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From: Thrillville
Posted: 2004-05-17 8:40 pm   Permalink

Speaking for both myself and the Tiki Goddess - ELVIS.

My stepmom Anne Helm co-starred with E in "Follow That Dream" (1962) and she confirms he was a swell guy in person, if a little f***ed up by success.

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Joined: Mar 24, 2002
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From: 1st website dedicated to Tiki Gardens
Posted: 2004-05-18 01:35 am   Permalink


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Joined: May 04, 2003
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From: Stockholm, Sweden
Posted: 2004-05-18 03:54 am   Permalink


On 2004-05-17 16:58, thejab wrote:

There was so much good music during that period: doo wop, rockabilly, R&B, the start of Soul music, surf, Northwest rock, not to mention Exotica and other lounge music that reached it's peak in the late 50s and early 60s.

I totally agree but you forgot one of the best genres of that time:
The Girl Group Sound


T H E - S U R F I T E S

[ This Message was edited by: Klas on 2004-05-18 03:58 ]

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Joined: Jan 14, 2003
Posts: 883
From: Seattle
Posted: 2004-05-19 10:09 am   Permalink

Okay, I admit, I didnt actually read all the replys, but came straight here to give ya
nuff said.

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Joined: May 05, 2003
Posts: 579
From: Detroit
Posted: 2004-05-19 1:53 pm   Permalink

ELVIS 100%!!! The Beatles started out as a rockabilly cover band, we're turned into a boy band by Epstein and then turned into pile of political waste...no friggin comparison.

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Tiki Woo
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Joined: Feb 21, 2004
Posts: 60
From: Redwood City
Posted: 2004-05-19 2:07 pm   Permalink

All the way Beatles but Elvis in his young days was soooooooo hot!

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Joined: Aug 01, 2003
Posts: 461
From: Thrillville
Posted: 2004-05-19 2:18 pm   Permalink

I don't hate the Beatles, I respect their musicianship and like a lot of their songs, but I often get flak when I say that they killed off the whole Rat Pack/Lounge/Tiki/Spy/Cool/50s Rock/Movie Elvis aesthetic, inadvertently or not, replacing it with that whole Arty Folk Rolk Hippie thing that extended way into the 70s and even into Grunge in the 90s, the same way Spielberg and Lucas killed off the classic drive-in B movie with mainstream-pandering mega-blockbusters like "Jaws" and "Star Wars." I guess in both cases you could call it "progress," but also in both cases, they ruined their particular culture, at least for me.

I agree it comes down to a "vibe." I just dig the sound of his voice, singing damn near anything.

A lot of orthodox rockabilly fans resent Elvis for "selling out" (though I think the early 60s are his best period, "His Latest Flame" being my favorite, and my wife LOVES 70s "jumpsuit" Elvis the most), but to me, he was and will always be King, "just because."

Johnny Dollar's Michael J. Fox reference killed me - he was quoting Mojo Nixon, who referred to Fox as the "Anti-Elvis," though I think the Anti-Elvis is George W. Bush, and Michael Fox is really the "Anti-Michael Landon" because of the atrocious 80s rip off "Teen Wolf" (Landon's "I Was a Teenage Werewolf" is my favorite flick. Trivia: Yvonne Lime, co-star of "IWATW" also appeared in Elvis' "Loving You" the same year, 1957, and rumor has it E visited her on the set of "IWATW"!)

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Joined: Feb 12, 2004
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From: Hamilton, Canada!
Posted: 2004-05-19 7:43 pm   Permalink

Welllll...Silly argument, but, Jab I believe the quote you are referring to was by John Lennon and he said ( upon being asked his reaction to Elvis' death), "Elvis died when he went in the army." Perfect, cynical Lennon, right on, loved the guy. Me. I'm off to Strat Land...

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