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Can we take over the Masons' job when they die?
Unkle John
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From: Middle-of-the-Ocean, TX
Posted: 2004-08-03 9:59 pm   Permalink

I am an Odd Fellow. www.ioof.org

basically the poor man's masons
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martiki
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Posted: 2004-08-03 10:37 pm   Permalink

I don't believe that a Shriner is a "higher order" of Mason- My understanding is that once you are a Master Mason, that's as high as it gets- doesn't matter if you go Scottish Rite or what not. It's just an off shoot. I have a friend who is a Mason (he's 32) and yes, he says his lodge is having a tough time with new members. I wish I had enough time to get involved- I hate to see things like this go quiet.

 
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Unkle John
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Posted: 2004-08-04 8:31 pm   Permalink

One of the brother's in the lodge with me, Bruce Webb (also our jug player in our band), is a collector or fraternal items. He told me to check out this site: http://www.demoulincollectors.com
They have a book called "Three frenchmen and a goat", he wrote to forward to it.

also if you notice the building is shaped like and "M"... for Mason?
Actually in the picture it looks like a "W", but I think I know better.

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spy-tiki
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Joined: May 11, 2003
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From: glendale, ca
Posted: 2004-08-04 11:33 pm   Permalink

I was a DeMolay. Had it's ups and downs, but gave me plenty to do that I am VERY grateful for. (About the time I was hitting adolescence my folks decided to move to the S.F.Peninsula, which was (maybe still is) deadly dull back in the 70s). Actually I was sort of kicked out, but that's another story.

Anyway, those guys do alot of good for kids and the community, etc, which is something that seems to have fallen by the societal wayside of late.

So here's the interesting tidbit. I can't confirm or deny, but the story is that the KKK is actually some sort of mutant offshoot of the Masons. Wherever I picked this up, it seemed pretty convincing at the time. Anyone have any info?


 
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Satan's Sin
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From: Imperial Beach, CA
Posted: 2004-08-05 12:12 am   Permalink

Yes. Spy Tiki, I think I can answer this question.

The Masons were an an honored and "mysterious" society of fairly old origins, and at the time the KKK was conceived these sorts of men's clubs were very popular.

At that time, it was almost impossible to find someone in a small town's -- or even a large town's -- power structure who was not a Mason. In fact, up until basically JFK, every U.S. president was a Mason. So, in the 1870s, when I believe the former Confederate general Nathan Forrest took it in his head to create the KKK, when it came to rituals for their secret society, he very naturally modeled these on Masonic rituals.

Of course, the "core" of Masonry is the brotherhood of Man, and the KKK is the exact opposite. But the ceremonies associated with initiation and the running of their meetings are similiar to the Masons but only because Gen. Forrest was most likely a Mason and this was his only "model" for forming a secret society.

Although I am not a Mason, I am certain they would never have sanctioned an organization like the KKK, as the Masons were one of the first organizations to embrace another ethnicity into their ranks, even in the 1700s. In fact, there are stories of white men who saved their lives during Indian sacrifices by calling out some sort of Masonic "alley alley in free" secret signals and some Indian Mason (!) would immediately halt the procedures and have them let go.

So that, I think, is the connection. Barely none at all.

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spy-tiki
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From: glendale, ca
Posted: 2004-08-05 11:36 am   Permalink

The theme park molestation stories over in the "Bad Tigger" post reminded me of the first time someone tried to molest me as a youth. It was one of the Masons who was an advisor for our DeMolay chapter. And he had a HOOK! Arrrrr little matey!

 
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